Nikon D750 vs D810: Which should you choose for night photography?

A lot of people have been asking me which camera they should buy between Nikon’s two new beauties: the Nikon D750 and the Nikon D810. Both are amazing machines but it’s a bit like comparing a Corvette to a Land Cruiser: they’ll both get you from point A to point B just fine but their real strengths lie in different areas.

Since I’ve been getting more and more into night photography in recent years I need a camera that can produce clean images at high ISOs. So I decided to pit the D750 and the D810 head to head and see which camera came out on top for night images.

To make the tests as controlled as possible I used the exact same setup for each camera: Same tripod (and hence same composition), the same lens (a 14mm Rokinon f/2.8), and the same settings (f/2.8, ISO6400, WB2650K, 14mm). Because noise is a factor not only of ISO but also of how much ambient light you have to work with I deliberately chose a scene that would really stress the camera and bring out a maximum amount of noise: photographing a small clearing in a forest on a moonless night. I also wanted to investigate how well the in-camera high ISO noise reduction worked versus using a post-processing noise reduction workflow. First I took three images with the D810, using No in- camera NR, Low in-camera NR, and finally Medium in-camera NR. Then I swapped the Rokinon to the D750 and repeated the series.

Taking the images into Photoshop I boosted each raw file by +2 stops in exposure (putting each shot at the equivalent of 25,600 ISO, which is pretty damn high!) but otherwise left all adjustments at their default, null values. Then I resized the D810 files to be the same width as the D750 files, 6016 px. It was immediately clear that the D750 was the top performer. Not surprising given the newly designed sensor and the lower pixel density. But still I think it’s interesting to note that not only does the D750 retain more detail in the deep shadows but it also demonstrates higher dynamic range, with more contrast and less muddiness in the foreground. Click the image below for the full-res file.

Nikon D750 v sD810 high ISO comparison

 

And here’s a detailed view of the two cameras’ performance:

D810 high ISO detailD750 high ISO detail

CONCLUSION 1: The D750 wins at high ISOs

But what about the second question, is it worth using High ISO NR in the camera or not? Well one thing I learned from this exercise which really surprised me is that if you’re shooting raw it doesn’t matter AT ALL whether or not you have this turned on. The High ISO NR clearly affected my SOOC jpegs but once I opened the raw files in Photoshop to compare them there was absolutely no difference in the files. At first I thought that might be because Nikon used a proprietary algorithm to smooth noise in the camera that Photoshop couldn’t understand. But when I looked at the files in Nikon Capture NX-D I still had a hard time telling a qualitative difference between the noise in the three images.

In camera NR test

Of course this got me to thinking: if in camera NR doesn’t do anything at all, what is the best way to reduce noise in my night photography images? Now, I’m sure there are many elaborate techniques for reducing high ISO noise but I’m a simple guy and so if I can find a simple solution to the problem, great. So in this case I tested a couple of easy methods: 1) using a 3rd-party noise reduction plugin called Neat Image, 2) using Photoshop’s Luminance Noise Reduction in Adobe Camera Raw, and 3) using a combination of the two. I conducted these NR methods on three copies of a single raw file from the D750 and compared the results.

For me, Neat Image usually works fantastically but in this case it was unable to get a good sample of noise to do its analysis. If I sampled on the stars it did a poor job because of the complexity of the star field, and if I sampled on the dark trees it over-smoothed the image, leading to strange artifacts. So I let it sample automatically and perform NR based on that. Next I pulled a different copy of that raw file into ACR and adjusted the luminance noise (you should note in all cases I pulled color noise reduction up to 100) until it seemed to give me an equivalent level of detail to what I saw in the Neat Image file (the luminance value ended up at 30, with detail at 50). Finally, I ran Neat Image on another copy of the raw file that had its luminance noise adjusted.
NR comparisons detail

For me personally I prefer the ACR luminance adjusted file. Even though it’s noisier than the other two, I prefer the even look to the noise. The Neat Image file looks artifacty to my eye, and the file with the combination of the two looks over-smooth. One observation I found interesting is how clean the sky looks in all of these cases. Goes to show you that with even a little bit of ambient light the D750 makes clean images at super high ISOs.

As for the foreground, well that level of detail and noise still isn’t quite usable for a nice image for me. Granted, this was an extreme case designed to push the limits of the sensor. In all likelihood I generally won’t be trying to get good results when shooting pitch black trees. Instead I’ll most likely stick to my preferred method of taking a foreground exposure just after twilight in order to get great depth of field, detail, and quality, and then blending that image with a star shot from later. And for those photos, there’s no question I’ll be reaching for my D750 without qualms.

13 replies
  1. Mike h
    Mike h says:

    Ugh, I hate these types of comparisons that don’t use best practices. Why would you take it into photoshop and THEN boost it by two stops? Then resize and then apply noise reduction? Also, what shutter speed? Why would one shoot these images at “the equivalent of 25000 ISO”? Is that standard practice for these types of shots? I’d like a redo using best practices for each camera.

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    • Josh Cripps
      Josh Cripps says:

      Hey Mike,

      Shutter speed was 30 seconds for each shot. The reason for the boost in the first place is that when doing the shots in the field it’s pretty much impossible to get a true sense of what the noise is like in the files. I assumed shooting at 6400 would be sufficient for my purposes but when I got back to the computer I decided I needed brighter images to better evaluate the noise. In my experience there’s very little qualitative difference in noise when increasing ISO in the field to increase exposure versus doing it in post. So as far as shooting at 25,600 in the field vs using the equivalent in Photoshop personally I have no issues with doing it the Photoshop way. If you’d like to conduct your own tests I’d be curious to see your results and how they compare.

      I do agree that resizing the D810 files to D750 size is a little suspect since the resizing algorithm will certainly change the noise profile. However, I’m not sure the change is to such a significant extent as to render the comparison meaningless. My goal was simply to find out which camera exhibited more noise when shooting in the dark and I’m satisfied this comparison does that.

      Cheers,

      Josh

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      • julio diez
        julio diez says:

        i have never used anything above 800 iso, its all about adsorbing natural light to keep the image sharp, not digitally brightening the image with iso. Check my instagram @diezj using a basic d5100, but i am finally upgrading to the d810.

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    • PC
      PC says:

      Your way sucks, I hate when people do it that way!!
      The way it was done here is correct, people will get a REAL world idea of how this camera preforms and not artificial.

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  2. Bharat
    Bharat says:

    Hey Josh,

    Hope you are well. Accidentally ran into your post. Interesting comparison. Why not just use medium format film camera. Pentax 67 II ?

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  3. Desi Bravo
    Desi Bravo says:

    Hi, I am an amateur photographer.
    I see how you reduced noise in photoshop.
    Now I understand why more experienced photographer shoot in ra so they can enhance the photos for better results.
    I own a D750 am glad from your comparison D750 is the winner.
    I would use or learn how to use both methods shooting jpg in higher ISO and raw for photoshop enhancements.
    Thanks.

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  4. dave
    dave says:

    The best way that I’ve found to get rid of astro noise is either stacking or there’s a handy little setting in Nikons NX-D software that nobody seems to know about, go into the noise reduction and change “method” from the default “faster” to Better Quality 2013″ which will give you more controls and under that you’ll 2 checkboxes and the bottom one is “Astro Noise Reduction”.. check that box Seems to do a good job without wiping stars out and as a bonus you get the real Nikon colors that LR screws up. Save as a tiff and work it in LR or whatever

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